Ultima Paint Guard Plus Can I Wax Over ?

02-08-2011,10:29 PM

Beau (and future) users of Ultima series products:

After working with Premium Finish Care's Ultima PGP sealant for a few weeks, I decided to try to get some answers to my questions nearly ideal application procedures not entirely addressed in the UPGP faq. I am an enthusiast with no professional affiliations in this realm. I've found this product to accept excellent value, but good results require more specific conditions than some more typical general use sealants and waxes. Hopefully this will be useful to others looking to get the most of their investment in UPGP. My comments/observations are in (...), responses are in

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Rick Vaal, Co-possessor/formulator for Premium Terminate Care, offered these responses to my questions:

Question i) What are the ideal temperature and humidity ranges for the correct curing of UPGP? (I take had some difficulty achieving proper flattening and curing to a crystal finish under temperatures of 55 degrees f. The UPGP seems to be more than temperature sensitive than many other pigment sealants I take worked with, and a proper cure it critical to the end result.)
Reply: Yep, Ultima Paint Guard Plus is sensitive to cooler temperatures (50f or below) as well as a high humidity climate. In some cases for both situations, after xxx minutes you may need to wipe the backlog off using a clean dry microfiber towel. Ideal temperatures are between 60 and 85 degrees Fahrenheit and no wiping is needed if the right amount is used. Question two) How can you obtain excellent swirl filling with UPGP?
Answer: Ulima Paint Guard Plus contains only curable blended polymers which will dry out and not exit a smeary film or false appearance. It contains no simple silicones which are in most other brands which do hide swirls only will wash off later on starting time wash and reveal the swirls again. We recommend removing the swirls with Paint Prep Plus using the supplied orange applicator by hand or for best results a dual action polisher (Ultimate Detailing Machine by Porter Cable) equipped with a Sonus Orangish SON-SFX-3FP cream pad. All orange pads on the market place are non the same as Sonus pad. The Sonus pad is a special airtight prison cell foam which is important to create the needed friction to suspension down the Ultima Paint Prep Plus properly. The Nano size particles will non break down when the foam cells are also large. The Nano particles will uncomplicated embed into the larger cells and not reach the surface and cause a haze or non provide the swirl/light scratch removal.

Question iii) Can UPGP bail to natural or constructed waxes used to level the paint prior to UPGP awarding?

Answer: It is best to apply Ultima Paint Guard Plus outset before whatever waxes. Waxes will non level the pigment but only hide imperfections. (I have non found your Ultima Paint Prep Plus to be an constructive filler of paint blemishes such as swirls or fine clearcoat scratches.) Past mitt, on hard finishes or deep swirls Ultima Paint Prep Plus may not be effective. But, using a machine as described above you can remove lite swirls, holograms or very light scratches. Ultima Paint Prep Plus was not designed for old neglected finishes and was really designed to properly clean the finish of crud, low-cal tar and permit the Ultima Paint Guard Plus to bond to the surface. But we accept found by machine some leveling can happen. (Your website blitheness advise UPGP will help fifty-fifty/level/make full the surface of clearcoat exposed to the elements. Later using UPGP on vehicles from two-sixteen years of historic period, I have not achieved any meaning amount of coverage of imperfections. On an older vehicle that cannot endure heavy polishing, a scratch/swirl filling production is necessary to hide harm. From my experience, the crystal clarity and strong reflectance of cured UPGP tin really brand sure swirl impairment more noticeable when compared to an application of traditional wax.) Yeah, Ultima Paint Baby-sit volition non hide considering information technology dries completely and clear. Ultima Paint Guard may fill in swirled paints and protect but not hide. We choose to create a product to protect and to completely dry so it every bit longevity and not attract grit. Nosotros never designed information technology for old neglected finishes that have not been restored first by proper compounds and polishes. (I have found that top coating UPGP with a wax does assist reduce minor cease imperfections visible after 3+ layers of UPGP. What do yous recommend?) Well, most waxes have silicone in the formula and will hide for a very short fourth dimension. Over again, proper paint correction will remove imperfections and then Paint Guard Pluswill practice what it has been designed to do. To add shine and protection. Question four) Similarly, are in that location any classes/categories of glazes or waxes which will not reduce the performance of UPGP if layered above/below UPGP? (In other words, am I defeating the integrity of UPGP if I meridian coat it with a rich wax and then attempt to recoat it a month later on with UPGP? I have plant that UPGP does apply evenly over certain other waxes and sealants. It appears that some waxes result in such low surface adhesion or high hydrophobicity that UPGP does not achieve the adhesion required for an even application (it is more than difficult to spread over a surface coated with another wax/sealant compared to a surface previously coated with UPGP).)
Answer: I have seen some stiff petrolieupetroleumxes/sealants remove some of the Ultima Paint Guard Plus. Especially before it had time to cure. Their strength is also very harmful to the cease itself. I do not recommend some other wax below UPGP. Also, I have found many so called glazes (which I do not agree with a glaze because they are merely a cover up) have a silicone or large amounts of mineral oils which yes hibernate imperfections but can as well not allow UPGP to bond properly. They of course wash off with the kickoff wash or even in some cases rain itself..

Question 5) How many ultra-thin coats of UPGP tin can be applied with enhanced results (layering capability)? (I have found the reflectance and depth of the end improves with a second and third sequent coat of UPGP with proper curing betwixt coats. Does the thickness of the UPGP actually go on to increase with additional coats beyond 3?)

Respond: I accept plant that later on three coats information technology has no do good.

Question 6) Can UPGP exist enhanced with Polycharger in a seperate spray bottle for faster curing and enhanced durability?

Reply: No, smearing will ocurre. (I could non find reference to this on your site. The biggest drawback I have found to the application of UPGP is the cure time. It is winter, and I tin only oestrus my garage to about 60f.) Yes this is truthful, I advise applying two coats and so afterwards 30 minutes wipe with a clean dry microfiber. (Also, tin the Ultima Waterless Launder Plus be enhanced in a detail bottle mixture with additional polycharger?) Yes with the H2O version at one dose. Or by purchasing the Waterless wash concentrate y'all can make the mixture stronger.

Thanks
Rick Vaal Co-possessor/formulator
Premium Finish Intendance

Hope this is useful,

Joel

02-08-2011,ten:39 PM

Keen read, thanks for request those questions.

Myself, I believe that a perfect, clean, wax or sealant free surface is the all-time option to employ UPGP on simply because of the type of product it is.

I approximate with the temperature variations, a product that is so simple to apply and works so well equally UGPG, there are going to be some restrictions surrounding information technology's application.

I merely can't get over how it'southward wipe on walk abroad (WOWA). I love that!

02-08-2011,11:59 PM

Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post

Myself, I believe that a perfect, clean, wax or sealant free surface is the best option to utilize UPGP on just because of the blazon of product it is...

I concur. I have had extremely satisfying results afterwards lightly polishing with a DA using MeGuiars ultimate chemical compound and a gentle pad. I have also had pretty good luck with applications over chemic guys wet-mirror finish glaze. However, sure sealants and waxes are so slick/repulsive that UPGP will not spread evenly over them. Also, I call back top coating UPGP with any product that is solvent-based is probably defeating the integrity of the UPGP. However, water-based products might be worth a try.

02-09-2011,06:54 AM

Thank you for sharing that.

The most important step with any lsp is to properly correct and smoothen the paint before sealing information technology. The sealant or wax that you use is to protect the corrected paint. Likewise his communication of applying UPGP before wax goes for almost whatsoever sealant.
I'm a huge Ultima fan.

I but wanted to add that for any new people that got the impression UPGP requires more than effort than other sealants. In fact it requires far less. With truthful perfection of you lot pigment the correction and polish step is a seperate phase non controlled by the lsp. The sealant or wax that you lot use is to protect the corrected paint.

02-09-2011,08:04 AM

He mentions that the Only pad to use with a DA polisher when applying the Ultima Paint Prep product is the orange SONUS pad.

I'm wondering if the HT orange pad (of which I have several) would be an equivalent...closed cell structure..?..

02-09-2011,09:12 AM

Quote Originally Posted by silverfox View Post

He mentions that the But pad to use with a DA polisher when applying the Ultima Paint Prep product is the orange SONUS pad.

I'chiliad wondering if the HT orangish pad (of which I have several) would be an equivalent...airtight cell structure..?..

I've used the UPPP with the enclosed orange manus applicator too as the cherry HT pad (and I belive the gray flat LC pad besides). I take achieved perfect results every fourth dimension. Currently I use the Crimson HT.

I don't meet where he says "But". Merely says it doesn't piece of work well with larger cell foam.

02-09-2011,11:twoscore AM

Thank you so much for this postal service. I honey their products and had a couple of my questions answered above.

02-10-2011,12:28 AM

Can everyone else with a lot of experience with UPGP give their thoughts on whether or not it is worth layering with other types of products? Any products work especially well over UPGP?

-Joel

02-x-2011,05:04 AM

Thanks Joel,
That is definitely proficient data, and I believe I'll exist looking this thread up afterwards when I come across Ultima. Thanks again!

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